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Vincent O'Sullivan

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Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 10, 2010 11:53 AM

> Maybe it's because they have 100 year mortgages but
> Japanese companies seem to be much more focused on
> long-term sustainable growth...

...mmm, leave your debts to you children and granchildren. Is that really a better way?

James Watson

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Nickname: watson
Registered: Sep, 2005

Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 11, 2010 6:07 AM

> > Maybe it's because they have 100 year mortgages but
> > Japanese companies seem to be much more focused on
> > long-term sustainable growth...
>
> ...mmm, leave your debts to you children and granchildren.
> Is that really a better way?

I don't think it's a matter of better, it's a matter of necessity. And it's better to take on a 50 year mortgage than start a new 100 year one. Really, it's beside the point anyway. The point was that they seem to take a longer view on things and maybe factors like that have something to do with that.

robert young

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Nickname: funbunny
Registered: Sep, 2003

Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 11, 2010 7:43 AM

>> In software, 2 years qualifies you as a senior developer.

This observation reflects on some conflicting motives in the culture of systems.

- not much experience, for one part of the culture, counts as senior experience because in that part there exists so much churn by the young-uns rediscovering the wheel in multifarious incarnations. each new year brings a new language/framework/datastore/paradigm; guaranteed to heal all that ails you. some fraction of managements get flummoxed into adopting it, thus creating yet a new definition of "experience". kind of like traveling patent medicine peddlers of the 19th century.

- for the other part of the culture, call it enterprise systems on the mainframe, a decade is considered needed, because the languages are so barebones (COBOL/C) that the experience needed is in some narrow application, handed down lo those decades ago by experienced coders.

Maxim Noah Khailo

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Nickname: mempko
Registered: Nov, 2004

Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 14, 2010 1:33 PM

What is interesting about computer software as an industry is that it touches the lives of almost everyone in the world.

Therefore as software developers, I think we have a strong moral responsibility to society. One way to start is making software companies and organizations better, more human.

Bruce, welcome to the anarchist side. Us socialists have been talking about exactly what you said much longer than social science and psychology have.

Maxim Noah Khailo

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Nickname: mempko
Registered: Nov, 2004

Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 14, 2010 9:49 PM

Then again, so have a lot of other "isms". you can call it what you want

robert young

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Nickname: funbunny
Registered: Sep, 2003

Re: Wrong Correctness

Posted: Jan 15, 2010 8:35 AM

> > Maybe it's because they have 100 year mortgages but
> > Japanese companies seem to be much more focused on
> > long-term sustainable growth...
>
> ...mmm, leave your debts to you children and granchildren.
> Is that really a better way?

One of the more spectacular participants in the Great Recession is Florida, particularly southern. Some pundits and politicians have finally admitted that southern Florida has no intrinsic industry other than building construction; growth is growth. Some economists have complained for decades that "investment" (specifically, expenditure of capital) real estate isn't productive investment the way true capital expenditure is. True capital expenditure installs new plant and equipment, the use of which generates the return on the investment. Real estate is purely fiduciary: there is only monetary return if the inhabitants can earn enough doing some form of real work elsewhere to exceed the cost.

So, yes, the Japanese and Europeans and Chinese and Indians are wiping us out because they invest their capital in productive uses. Housing and offices aren't.

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