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Last week I sat with the Ruby Rogues - a podcast about development in the Ruby and Rails world (Avdi Grimm, Jessica Kerr and host Charles Max Wood). They have a regular book club, and their book this time was the Ruby edition of Refactoring We talked about the definition of refactoring, why we find we don’t use debuggers much, what might be done to modernize the book, the role of refactoring tools, whether comments can be used for good, the trade-off between refactoring and rewriting, modularity and microservices, and how the software industry has changed over the last twenty years.