Registered: Sep, 2003
Posted: Feb 16, 2007 6:28 PM
> > > Squeak isn't slow.
> > I beg to differ
> Beg all you like. It is plenty fast. Exupery, which is
> getting close to giving us an inlining JIT, is looking
> really nice - recent benchmarks are running in about 1/3
> the time.
It's not just the VM. It's the whole UI paradigm where everything relies on a ultra-portable BitBlt. Now with Vista out, it's even more evident how backwards-ass Squeak is.
> > > Fugly is in the eye of the beholder for sure.
> > Once again, there's a huge thread on the squeak-dev
> > about improving the way squeak looks.
> Yep, I didn't say it looks pretty and I'm not too happy
> with Morphic. But I don't care, it works well enough.
Apparently it doesn't work well enough for many others in the Squeak community.
> > > All my work is web apps using seaside. And all
> > > the really cool new stuff gets developed on the open
> > > source platform. Imagine that.
> > Is that like all the cool kids are doing it? And last
> > time I checked OSX wasn't open source.
> Deliberately misunderstanding things makes you look
> stupid. The underlying OS is irrelevant. Squeak is open
> source and runs the same everywhere. Linux, OS X,
> Windows, Solaris, whatever... I develop on a Mac and
> deploy to Linux machines.
You said "open source platform", and what makes *you* look stupid is when you run around saying everything is coming back to Smalltalk (yes, you said it in that other thread), and trying to pimp OSX...because Unix is cool.
Andrew O'Sullivan said it best:
Its a lot
better over here in Mac land. Everything just works, the
programming tools rock, and its Unix man.
Installed Vista last week. It just works. Downloaded the 60 trial version of Office 2007. It just works. Better still, it comes without the relentless obsession to tell everyone else they're got it wrong all the time.
> Dolphin is only windows (which I will never ever run),
> doesn't run Seaside,
Last time I checked, Seaside has been ported to Dolphin.
>and all the cool research stuff like
> Magritte, Pier, Seaside, Exupery, Croquet, Sophie, is
> happening on Squeak because it is 1) open source and 2)
> platform agnostic.
I don't know how cool Squeak can be when it presents itself with a Mickey Mouse interface that even many in the squeak community regard as retarded.
Alan Kay and company have another project in the works. Hopefully, it won't be a disaster like Squeak is.