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Guido van van Rossum

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Posted: Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM
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I believe I've tracked down the origin of the term Benevolent Dictator For Life (BDFL) to a Python meeting in 1995. It's a blast from the past!
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Occasionally people ask me about the origins of my nickname BDFL (Benevolent Dictator For Life). At some point, Wikipedia claimed it was from a Monty Python skit, which is patently false, although it has sometimes been called a Pythonesque title. I recently trawled through an old mailbox of mine, and found a message from 1995 that pinpoints the origin exactly. I'm including the entire message here, to end any doubts that the term originated in the Python community.

Some background: On April 15 I had moved to the US to join CNRI for what would end up being a five-year stint. One of the first things we wanted to do was establish some kind of (semi-)formal group overseeing Python development and workshops. It was too early to think of conferences yet. The idea was to call this the Python Software Association (or perhaps the Python Software Activity), and to have it be a subsidiary of CNRI, which would give it many of the benefits of a non-profit (CNRI being one) without any of the hassle. On April 18 a group of folks interested in setting this up met: besides myself, there were Ken Manheimer and Mike McLay from NIST, Barry Warsaw, Roger Masse and Ted Strollo from CNRI, Jim Fulton from USGS, and Paul Everitt from Creative Minds, an early precursor of Zope Corporation.

As you can read below, everyone present was bestowed a title starting with First Interim, but mine was the only jocular one. While I can't prove my title (with or without the First Interim prefix) was never used before, I'm pretty certain that it originated in this meeting. Given what I know of how their minds work, it was most likely invented by Ken Manheimer or Barry Warsaw, though it may well have been a joint invention by all present. I doubt that anyone remembers (I certainly don't recall anything specifically about this meeting, there were so many meetings those days).

Anyway, here's the whole message, with all the headers. I've added some highlights to emphasize the most salient points.

Return-Path: <@coil-ether.nist.gov:klm@nist.gov>
Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.1]) by unix.cnri.reston.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA01703; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:34:51 -0400
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Date: Fri, 5 May 95 17:35:00 EDT
Message-Id: <9505052135.AA15998@coil.nist.gov>
From: Ken Manheimer 
To: "Barry A. Warsaw" ,
        "Roger E. Masse" , Paul.Everitt@cminds.com,
        Jim Fulton ,
        Guido van Rossum ,
        Michael McLay ,
        Kenneth Manheimer ,
        "Theodore R. Strollo" 
Subject:  Notes from the last PSA meeting at CNRI - Tue, April 18, 1995
Reply-To: ken.manheimer@nist.gov
X-Mailer: VM 5.72 (beta) / Emacs 19.26.2
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

Well, after a substantial delay as promised (:-), here are my notes
from the last PSA/workshop meeting at cnri.  Note that there are a few
items that we all need to get moving - paul, you have to post an
explanation of the recruitment-process for workshop session
conductors, and then all of us have to send out our solicitations.

Barry and roger, i was supposed to report to you the address of the
NIST time server - time.bldrdoc.gov is the one i use.  I believe it
supports a number of network-time protocols - i use 'rdate' on the
suns and 'netdate' on my linux box with it.  I also understand that it
is coupled pretty closely with a NIST time-standard atomic clock.  It
is physically in boulder, but presumably the time synch mechanisms
account for the distance.  And anyway, who of us cares about
millisecond absolute accuracy?


Here are my notes, in a semi-outline format:

  Landmark first meeting of first interim PSA board, including
  first interim benevolent dictator-for-life, GvR, in attendance.

+ Attendees:

   Barry Warsaw, CNRI
   Guido van Rossum, CNRI
   Jim Fulton, USGS
   Ken Manheimer, NIST
   Michael McLay, NIST
   Paul Everitt, CMinds Inc.
   Roger Masse, CNRI

+ Python workshop

   ( my notes for the first part are sparse; after all, i wasn't the
     official notetaker until later in the meeting...)

   Not clear whether or not USGS will have the necessary internet/
       mbone connectivity - jim is investigating
   Discussions about mbone at workshop flailed around finding a
       station to base an sbus video board that barry has available, i
       may have a sparcstation IPC to bring.
   I was left with the impression that there are fundamental
       questions about whether the effort to set up an mbone broadcast
       is warranted.

 * **  Marshalling the agenda  **  action item!
    Paul agreed to be the overall workshop-session coordinator
    Agreed, on guido's suggestion, each of us would take
      responsibility for recruiting people (or taking it on
      ourselves) to handle a workshop session, and/or pieces of it.
    Division of labor:

   - Paul is going to post something explaining the overall scheme,
   - Administrative Topics and Introductions: paul
   - Distributed Computing: guido
   - Extension Modules and Basic Applications: mike, but jim's
					       emailing aaron waters
   - GUI: jim
   - Python Core: guido
   - Software Mgmt: ken

  ( Barry, roger: answer to incidental questions about reliable NIST
  time server, slaved to the atomic clock - time.bldrdoc.gov.  It
  apparently supports several time protocols, i use rdate on my
  sun, netdate on my linux system, just 'cause that's what's built
  in.)

+ Discussions re PSA

 - Some suggested purposes of the PSA:
    Give python credentials - "python is not just any old software
       off the net", including visibility and formal contact point
       for python-related questions
    Coordination of python development and commercial activity
    Stability of python - branding, forum for fielding user issues, etc
    Network host making available python and PSA materials

 - Proposal we're (mike?) going to make at python workshop:

    PSA will be a user group, eventually have a network host, and
    there are efforts in the works for funding (by cnri) to make it a
    staffed organization.

 - First Interim Board of Directors - a sundry collection of a motley crew:

  * First Interim Chairman: Mike McLay
  * First Interim Keepers of python.org: 1st interim board, @CNRI
  * First Interim Keeper of the Notes: Ken Manheimer
  * First Interim Keeper of the python.org Materials Index: Paul Everitt
  * First Interim Treasurer: decision postponed until there's money
  * First Interim Workshop Coordinator: Paul Everitt
  * First Interim Benevolent Dicator for Life: Guido van Rossum

 - python.org (see "1st interim keeper of...", above):

    A claim on the address has been filed with the NIC, by roger masse
        it may (?) informally be active, but will only be announced
        once cnri does or does not make some arrangement for funding

    We will wait to redirect the python mailing list (python-list@cwi.nl)
        until cnri has officially established a place for python.org

    We will relocate the steering-committed list (python-sc@eeel.nist.gov)
        to the python.org host asac (As Soon As Convenient) (barry?)

 - Discussion of a procedure for conducting python development proposals
    All agree that it would be nice to have a regular procedure for
        fielding and registering proposals for changes of and
        additions to python.
    Discussion of jim's recent proposal for a generic object API
        poses a nice example of several components of such a
        procedure.

  . Purposes of procedure:

    To help coordinate the process, so independent groups aren't
        working separately on the same problem/issue
    Establish formal collection of proposals, so:
        people can find what's already gone before, and how they went
        people working on implementation can have a central
        collection to focus upon
  . Very preliminary draft of proposal-submission procedure
    : Champion submits initial proposal to mailing list
    : Champion fields comments, discussion
    : If still interested, champion submits followup proposal, for
          inclusion in "PSA Notes" repository
  . Notice (who could help it?) that nothing is said so far about
        formalisms for getting the proposal implemented!
  . jim, guido, and i agreed to discuss this further

ken
ken.manheimer@nist.gov, 301 975-3539


Jess Austin

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Jul 31, 2008 2:16 PM
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> Occasionally people ask me about the origins of my
> nickname BDFL (Benevolent Dictator For Life). At some
> point, Wikipedia claimed it was from a Monty Python skit,
> which is patently false, although it has sometimes been
> called a Pythonesque title.

Wikipedia may have been lead astray by the "About the Blogger" footer on this very page:

"The Python community refers to him as the BDFL (Benevolent Dictator For Life), a title straight from a Monty Python skit."

Michael X

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM
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First of all, thank you and all of those guys for a GREAT language.
Just so you know - your "about" section in the blog also claims that BDFL is from Monthy-Python which is quite ironic :)

Mikle

Adam Olsen

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Jul 31, 2008 4:52 PM
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> Just so you know - your "about" section in the blog also
> claims that BDFL is from Monthy-Python which is quite
> ironic :)

Obviously a problem with the time machine. The engine probably backfired.

Guido, why do you keep hiding the keys from me? I promise I won't change much!

Peter Wood

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Aug 1, 2008 8:43 AM
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I always thought it was inspired by a scene in Woody Allen's film Bananas.

Benjamin Scherrey

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Aug 1, 2008 10:07 AM
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First Interim Benevolent Dicator for Life

What does this resolve to exactly - or is the seemingly redundant "interim" and "for Life" simply an anecdotal remark on our own mortality? :)

Anand Balachandran Pillai

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Aug 1, 2008 10:32 AM
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Nice to know this Guido. It is interesting to know that a google search for "BDFL" gives your Wikipedia entry as the first hit.

Apart from that one, the following is another gem from the quoted email.

"""First Interim Treasurer: decision postponed until there's money"""...!

senthil kumaran

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Aug 1, 2008 11:09 AM
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That was a nice recollection. :) So, the First Interim meeting of PSA was held on April 15, 1995 time-frame declaring you BDFL. Were you working alone from 1992 till 1995 on Python alone? Code Swarm Python video from vimeo[1] shows you as sole/principal committer for a long time and real surge took place during late nineties.

[1]:
http://www.vimeo.com/1093745?pg=embed&sec=1093745

Guido van van Rossum

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Aug 1, 2008 11:16 AM
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> That was a nice recollection. :) So, the First Interim
> meeting of PSA was held on April 15, 1995 time-frame
> declaring you BDFL.

ACtually on April 18 (see message subject).

> Were you working alone from 1992 till
> 1995 on Python alone? Code Swarm Python video from
> vimeo[1] shows you as sole/principal committer for a long
> time and real surge took place during late nineties.

I started working on Python at CWI in Amsterdam, and all Python development was done there from 1990-1995. Major contributors during those days were Jack Jansen and Sjoerd Mullender. I also accepted many changes from elsewhere, but the video shows them as mine since we didn't have remote access to our version control system (IIRC we were using CVS with direct filesystem access, not even on a server).

bug not

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Re: Origin of BDFL Posted: Jan 10, 2009 9:36 PM
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> At some
> point, Wikipedia claimed it was from a Monty Python skit,
> which is patently false

*scroll scroll scroll*

> About the Blogger
>
> Guido van Rossum is the creator of Python, one of
> the major programming languages on and off the web. The
> Python community refers to him as the BDFL (Benevolent
> Dictator For Life), a title straight from a Monty Python
> skit.

uhhhhhh...

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