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Ian Bicking

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The Future: Longhorn Shmonghorn Posted: Nov 14, 2003 1:17 AM
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Ted Leung brings up some important points and collects some good links in his latest post. To quote:

Once they [MS] get everything into managed code, people working in predominantly unmanaged environments are going to be hard pressed to keep up.
While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the FS/OSS communities aren't being left behind, but they aren't doing it by following a commercial effort. To me, Python is the response to managed code (maybe one of several responses, but I also believe the most important response).

Right now I believe Python is a clear forerunner among high-level languages. It might be elitist, but I don't consider Perl to be high level, or to be a successful general application development language; PHP is both low level and still solidly server-side; Object C has some newfound potential, but it still skirts the high level/low level border... which leaves Java (2500 projects on Freshmeat as opposed to 1200 Python projects). I'll let you decide on Java's potential on your own. (I know why I like and can distinguish Python from Java, I don't know why I would distinguish C#'s "managed code" from Java's model -- which isn't necessarily praise of Java!)

Anyway, to return to our topic, I see high level languages as the future for development. At the same time, using Python we don't have to forgo our low level roots by using C extensions (the old Worse is Better cliche [truism?]). This layered system gives us the potential to build wonderful and beautiful new things, without reimplementing every little thing everytime we make another go at figuring out what "beautiful" means. I see the goal as a place where, struck with a notion for a new program (novel or just customized) a developer can implement, reimplement, refactor, and redesign quickly. Our applications come and go, they become important and obsolete over time -- but as long as our fundamental foundation becomes further enriched, further refined, even just further understood we will still have accomplished something. I imagine the wonderful applications emerging from our communities as a matter of course -- when the prerequesites have been created, those applications will appear, and their emergence will seem more inevitable than dramatic.

I think high level languages have made significant progress as well. Python programs are popping up all over the place, both in core tools and end-user applications. (And it's probably about time people start dropping the "py" prefix from application names -- it's like a qualifier, and the time has come that appications don't need to be qualified by this implementation language, Python has become a basic piece of the OS infrastructure, not a novel prerequisite)

Python programming also makes backward compatibility issues very manageable. The core has been successfully backward compatible, and even when there are issues with third-party library compatibility it is usually quite easy to work around those issues (much like Python makes it easy to work around OS differences). Python provides all the fundamental tools to handle problems as they come up -- things like exceptions, introspection, or even the crudeness of sys.path manipulation to get known versions of libraries. (Relatedly, I believe Javascript's greatest flaw has not been its lack of standardization, but the lack of the fundamental programming constructs to work around those problems) I believe Python provides (right now) a much more robust and flexible technology for platform independence than found in Java (and probably .NET) -- I think the same will be revealed in terms of backward compatibility.

Which is all to say: I'm optimistic. People complain that we just copy commercial software and designs -- but if you think we should do more you should look for the ways people are already innovating, not expect the open source/free software community to innovate in the same way as commercial development. Our path has always been dramatically different than Microsoft's, and it's gotten us this far.

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