Jon Udell spoke to Allen Wirfs-Brock recently - Allen is now at MS:

More than 25 years ago, Allen Wirfs-Brock created one of the early implementations of Smalltalk. He was working at Tektronix at the time, as was Ward Cunningham who became the first user of Tektronix Smalltalk. Allen later served as chief scientist of Digitalk-ParcPlace and CTO of Instantiations, then joined Microsoft four years ago. His original charter was to work on future strategies for Visual Studio, but recently in light of growing interest in dynamic languages at Microsot he's returning to his roots.

Here's a link to the mp3 - now I know what I'll be listening to during tomorrow's workout :)

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