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Bruce Eckel

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Posted: Aug 7, 2009 7:43 PM
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Lately I've seen a rash of startups and small companies that have made bad technology decisions. I can only assume these decisions were made at the wrong level, by people who don't understand the technology or the implications of their decisions.
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The Revolutionary War was revolutionary in more than one way. Up until then, all military actions were directed centrally, by generals. The chain of command was primarily for transferring orders in a validated fashion. This kind of centralized control made sense when battles were primarily men hacking each other slowly to death. The advent of the gun sped up the battle, but it took the Revolutionary War to adapt to this new velocity. Washington introduced the idea of pushing responsibility down to the lowest level, which means the decisions are made at the point where they have the most impact.

Occasionally we see this principle in businesses -- Toyota, for example -- but most business leaders seem to hang onto the decision-making with the same grip as the old generals held onto their power. The mystique of the all-knowing decision-maker is strongly promoted by our monotheistic culture and the organizations that benefit from that; witness George W. Bush declaring himself "The Decider." And darn it all, it just feels powerful to be free of all those nagging fact-based doubts and just say the way it should be! People admire you, too. Being a decider is being a winner.

As guns make battles go faster, computers make businesses go faster. Used to be, businesses were like massive slow boats. You make a decision, and you could be dead before it has any impact. Your successors are left in shock, saying "he must have been ... guessing! We better not let anyone know about this." (Very neat: self-hiding mistakes).

Now, however, people might discover your incompetence within weeks, days, hours, or even instantly. This has been happening for decades, but continuing advances in computing are making it more and more obvious. Alas, it still feels really good to be in power. CEOs still make very disproportionate salaries, which helps imply that they know what they're doing (which is very important so that business schools can keep charging the big bucks).

But when executives make technical decisions that are outside their expertise, things can go wrong very quickly. This is especially true with startups; bad decisions cost investor money, impact schedules and can ultimately decide whether the company survives.

The most common place I see this is the most mundane: choice of client-side programming system. I recently visited (not a consulting job) a startup that was working on a technology that had nothing to do with computers. They happened to sell services over the web, but the fewer software engineers they have building their web interface, the more resources they have to focus on their primary skill, the thing that the company is all about.

Here's how I imagine this played out. A VP of this company is playing golf with other VPs, and the subject of web interfaces comes up. Another VP, full of fresh knowledge from some Microsoft-sponsored retreat, expounds for awhile: "Yes, Java is very popular on the back end" (Now that they have something to battle it with, they can acknowledge the obvious). "But the only reliable way to build a web app is with CSS, HTML and JavaScript" (More chance of getting the company to give up and only run on IE once they see how much work it is to be cross-browser). All the VPs nod sagely and file away these facts for their next decider moment.

Our VP goes back and hands down the decision. It might even go over very well if CSS, HTML and JavaScript are the only thing the programmers know -- but in that case the problem started before they were hired. And before you know it, the problems have exploded and the rate of feature addition has gone into decline.

At the company I visited, there was one programmer whose job was exclusively -- I kid you not -- to deal with IE6 bugs. No new features, just dealing with idiosyncrasies of one version of one browser. It may be job security, but what a waste of talent.

And what a waste of resources for the company to reinvent all these bug fixes rather than working on their actual product. Clearly all the AJAXy libraries may have reduced the problems but not solved them.

I'll go out on what I think is an obvious limb here, and say that CSS, HTML and JavaScript will never work without a lot of cross-platform pain. The design-by-committee nature of these beasts will always compromise them at the expense of the programmer. Take HTML5, the grand glorious solution that everyone points to as the answer to everything. Already compromised: from Wikipedia,

However, in July 2009, the editor of the burgeoning draft specification dropped the recommendation of the free software Theora and Vorbis codecs, after opposition from Apple and Nokia. This means HTML 5 does not currently specify a common video codec for Web development.

(This is probably also the answer to the question of why Google made its recent acquisition of On2 which makes codecs; if it isn't part of HTML5, then Google needs one to add to Chrome).

This is just one in a long line of cock-ups that have kept CSS/HTML/JavaScript apps from being cross platform. And it will never be fixed. Even if you believe that Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple, Google and others could even communicate well enough to agree on the meaning of the HTML5 spec and implement it identically, when will that happen? Anytime before HTML6 comes out? I've watched this long enough to see that you'll never be able to write a non-trival cross-platform web app using CSS/HTML/JavaScript. (Not to say that it won't be an improvement to have HTML5, but that you won't be able to assume it's available).

I think it's more likely that fancier applications will be targeted to Google Chrome. How different is it, really, to install Chrome as a browser than it is to install Java? Chrome is easier and less scary for the end user to install. With all the powerful things that Google is putting in Chrome, features that go far beyond ordinary browsers, developers will be attracted to the Chrome platform. Add to that the Chrome OS and the ability to use all that HTML5 goodness without worrying about the other platforms and it will become very appealing. And top it off with Google's ability to make things easy and comfortable for the end-user, and you have a real development choice.

There are other choices, of course. Microsoft pushes Silverlight, but really? It's going to solve the cross-platform problem? Which gaggle of Microsoft VPs is going to willingly give up the playing field and actively support those other browsers (sure, you can passively support them by saying it's OK to develop for non Microsoft browsers)? And what if something, somewhere, gets uncomfortable? Are you going to trust the company that spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to reality-shift our brains so that we'd believe that Vista really is OK to not change their mind about this and decide that maybe Silverlight should only run on a Microsoft browser? Silverlight appears to be good technology, but I you just can't be sure if it will persist and spread.

JavaFX also appears to be good technology. It's cross-browser, no worries there. It does require that the user install Java, which has historically been a sticking point and a blind spot for Sun, and might get fixed eventually. That is, if the Oracle acquisition doesn't throw things into chaos for an extended period.

Then, of course, there's Flash/Flex. When I asked someone at the aforementioned company why they chose CSS/HTML/JavaScript, they said "we had to be sure that the user ...", trailing off because they realized that Flash is installed on basically every machine in the world. Anyone who uses YouTube has Flash installed. People aren't afraid of it.

Sure, it's not perfect. It's more open than it used to be, but not perfectly open, and some developers have a problem with that. I would argue that it's open enough for most purposes, and more importantly you can cut the UI programming staff of the aforementioned startup down to a couple of programmers, and those programmers could be pounding out fancy new features rather than coping with browser differences.

In the future, I would be tempted to try writing HTML5 on the Chrome platform. But in the present I still see Flash and Flex as the best options (Let's assume that those of you who can't resist the snarky comments at this point have already written them for previous blog posts). I'll end with a testimonial that was recently sent to me by Tim De Meyer, a senior Java EE developer at Cegeka, an end-to-end ICT solution provider located in Belgium. For the last 4 years he's worked on a large Agile project for the social security sector. He and a group of three others have been looking into Flex, and have this to report:

Just wanted to let you know that, after years and years of developing web based applications using JSF, struts, spring MVC and the like, we've started a small project (26 days) using Flex as the front-end. It's been quite an adventure so far, because we're used to taking an agile approach that comes with a few engineering practices we try to live up to.

So after some experimenting, we can now implement our user stories using our beloved test DRIVEN approach, writing jUnit tests for the java back-end, using FlexUnit to test our .as and .mxml files, and rounding it all up with some FlexUISelenium postdeploy-tests. And after a few days of struggling in Ant, we've now got a Hudson job building, testing and deploying our Flex app automatically. This results in a fully tested .war file we can hand over to our deployment team.

As for the technology stack, we're using the new Spring-Flex thingy to expose our spring POJO's as Flex destinations, and the Swiz framework helps us do a clean(er) job in Flex.

Although it's all pretty new to the most of us (we've got one experienced Flex programmer and 2 rookies who've just had some experience during an after-hours weekly workgroup), productivity has been great so far and our burn-down is telling us we're pretty much on track.

So I hope this turns out to be a success and that we can do some more projects where we can use Flex as the front-end. After the project is done, we're hoping to give an internal presentation in order to grow some interest in our Applications division. We've already gotten our program manager to start reading First Steps In Flex. As a former architect and developer, he's been very supportive towards these initiatives. Anyway, thanks for getting us, as Java developers, interested in the Flex world.


juan chomba

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Re: Know Your Materials- for Bruce eckel Posted: Aug 8, 2009 12:33 AM
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hi really English is not good for much the truth is that I have translated from Spanish with a translator, the Latin American community has tremendous interest in the books of Bruce Eckel, the problem is that the versions of thinkiing in c + + 2 editions are in English and is very complicated I want to know if there any editorial in the translation of this book that is searched, the good thing is that java 4Editing think if you have the Spanish translation would be very good to think about officially tradusca c + + you please send me the agardeceria respuestta a-carlosescorpio1@gmail.com

THANK YOU and I apologize for the syntax is that the translator

Sivan Mozes

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 8, 2009 12:39 AM
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I don't know if Google means HTML5 as in hand coding, or as a deployment solution. During the Google Wave presentation the developer said he wouldn't have done it without GWT.

Ryan Bell

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 8, 2009 1:00 PM
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Seriously? Flash? Adobe can't even make is so flash doesn't crash my browser on Linux.

juan chomba

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Re:HELP PLEASE!! Posted: Aug 8, 2009 10:11 PM
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hi really English is not good for much the truth is that I have translated from Spanish with a translator, the Latin American community has tremendous interest in the books of Bruce Eckel, the problem is that the versions of thinkiing in c + + 2 editions are in English and is very complicated I want to know if there any editorial in the translation of this book that is searched, the good thing is that java 4Editing think if you have the Spanish translation would be very good to think about officially tradusca c + + you please send me the agardeceria respuestta a-carlosescorpio1@gmail.com

THANK YOU and I apologize for the syntax is that the translato

John Fiala

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 9, 2009 5:30 PM
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ditto on flash - as much as I like some of it's uses, it seems to not be fully compatible with linux.

And also, it seems to fail pretty badly on accessibility too - after all, blind people use the web too, but can screen readers handle flash?

James Watson

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 10, 2009 1:48 PM
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I find this paragraph to be a little ironic:

"The most common place I see this is the most mundane: choice of client-side programming system. I recently visited (not a consulting job) a startup that was working on a technology that had nothing to do with computers. They happened to sell services over the web, but the fewer software engineers they have building their web interface, the more resources they have to focus on their primary skill, the thing that the company is all about."

This advice is an example of a technology decision made above the CEO level. It's made at the level of conventional wisdom.

The problem with this idea is that depending on how you frame the question, any role in a company can be determined to not be a 'core function' or 'primary skill'.

I know that this isn't the point of this article but that cliche is really tired and, frankly, wrong. That companies maximizing your efforts on their 'primary skill' is based on nothing more than a theory.

It's disappointing that you didn't get the essence of the 'grass farmer' analogy that you yourself made. Companies should focus on what makes them the most effective. If employing web service developers does that, they should employ them. It's really that simple.

Hans Lellelid

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 12, 2009 8:26 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly. Flash/Flex isn't perfect, but there's a lot of momentum there and a lot of great open-source work happening in that sector. I would certainly like to see Flash become a completely open platform, but I will say that I will happily work with a solid framework that has proven itself to be a huge gain in developer productivity and in product performance.

Yes, it's true that Linux support lags behind. But Linux support for other platforms lags at least as far behind. How's Chrome running on Linux...? Compare performance of Firefox 3.x on Linux vs. Windows. Obviously the folks with the marketshare are going to drive these products. I think by having an official, same-version Flash player for Linux has been a step in the right direction.

In any event, the HTML/CSS/JS frameworks that have to get bolted on top of browsers (to abstract out the differences and make up for more fundamental shortcomings) are always going to under-perform a platform that is designed explicitly to support these rich user interfaces.

James Ward

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 13, 2009 4:21 PM
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Things with Flash on Linux have gotten much better recently. Adobe now sim-ships Win, Mac, and Linux versions of Flash Player. I use Linux as my primary OS and spend all day building Flex apps. Lately I haven't been having any issues with Flash Player 10 on Ubuntu. If you are having issues I'd recommend creating bugs:
http://bugs.adobe.com

-James (Adobe)
http://www.jamesward.com

David Franck

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Aug 14, 2009 8:11 AM
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As a complement of information, i would want to point out the evolution of user's materials, too : more and more internet browsing is currently done with smartphones, say iPhone as an example.
This one has no flash plugin, which IMHO signifies that nowadays creating an internet application which is totally unusable with these devices may be a serious error.
As other readers already pointed out, flash support on linux systems is not enough stable for now.
So, creating a web app should deal with the 'typical' html and css pages - javascript is, of course, a precious tool, but its not-cross-platform problem is a very serious one.
IMHO, web app architects should have all that in mind, and should try to minimize all the 'client behaviour' as possible - Ajax is your best friend, but your worse ennemy too if used too widely.
Simple html with styles is often a sufficient tool, if the server has a correct response time (say... optimize your code rather that adding magic interactive functions).
Its is just my little point of view ; but, for sure, every project has its own requirements and may face to a real need for heavy ajax-like functions. Il that case, i would say : 'good luck' and 'think and rethink your user interface ergonomy' (in java if you want - like me :-).
David.

Chris Perkins

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Re: Know Your Materials Posted: Sep 1, 2009 2:34 PM
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I think adobe flex has definitely made some strides in terms of capability, but support is as much an issue as it is for Java in my mind. For instance, one of fastest growing web browsing sectors: iPhone and iPod Shuffle

( http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/03/12/iphone-sales-grew-245-in-2008-gartner/ )

do not support flash in their safari browser.

cheers.
-chris

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